Comic for Monday, December 13th, 2021
I was planning to put the poll up with the comic, but am (clearly) running slightly late. I will try to put it up tomorrow.
Mium’s tendency to dislike Arron (or, as Mium would put it, the absence of Mium liking Arron) may seem somewhat strange as we don’t see them interact that much, but it’s worth noting that Miko is a fairly large influence on Mium for several reasons, and Miko does not particularly like Arron (though the rationality of this may be mixed). Moreover, as we’ve seen, Mium has restrictions in dealing with Arron that bother him, since he cannot actually stop Arron from doing something like interacting with Miko, which upsets Miko, and Mium does not like things that upset Miko (…generally speaking).
A lot of Mium’s interpersonal opinions are influenced by Peter, Miko, and now Naomi’s opinions of other people. These opinions don’t effect Mium that strongly for the most part, beside pass his interactions with them something of a favorability filter, which is generally represented by how much effort he goes into being polite, helpful, and personable toward them.
Mium is capable of independently forming opinions of people though, and does occasionally, particularly with people he interacts with on some regularity.
This chapters structure is a little weird because I didn’t want to cut Peter and Kally’s conversation, but it also doesn’t really move the plot forward in a direct sense, so I came up with the compromise of just sort of running it along side the updates for the chapter. We’ll see. I tend to like the split the page approach, though I’m mixed if it actually makes things easier or harder to follow.
I guess the comic’s gonna take Christmas Week off, huh?
Patience, please! Past might be having trouble dusting off the Santa Hat poll for 2021. He still has over 20 hours before he will be technically late. Let’s wait a bit before we start issuing pitchforks and torches! LOL
PF & T time now!?! Just got a shiny new Model ST* pitchfork and I’m itching to try it out!
* ST for “Sharp Tine” model. WAY better than the old Dull Tine (DT) and Kinda Sharp Tine (KST) models!
Looks like this is getting down to the wire. Unfortunately, I am not near the local armory. Fortunately, I am near a Lowes that has pitchforks. The 4 tine pitchforks look sturdier that the three tine ones. They also have Tiki torches and oil. Lots of fuel cans are displayed and there is a gas station a few blocks away. Let’s party!!! LOL
PS_Krogers has spiral hams for 87 cents per pound so if someone would bring bread and some sides, we can have a picnic. Oops! Almost forgot bottled water.
We need to remember that Past is working off of Palindra time but I’m not sure which time zone. Malsan? Orish? So we need to be a little flexible. I don’t think the time dialation is consistent between dimensions.
That said, I like the idea of adding some ham sammiches to PF&T time! I’m getting hungry!
Hello! Not directly related to this page, but I’ve been trying to expand the TvTropes page for this comic (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/TheFarSideOfUtopia), as it feels criminally small given how much there is to explore with this story and its characters. An issue I’m running into is that I’m not too good at naming specific conventions in a story like this (or at least, not as good as I’d like), which is a bit of snag when trying to come up with proper entries to add to the tropes list.
So, to anyone out there interested in stuff like this, is there anything you’ve noticed about the story or characters that you feel should be added to their respective pages if they’re not there already?
There should be a trope about magic users not permitted to use magic (or only limited magic) on non magic users. If there already is an official tvtrope i do not know its name, so we should ask around. I probably don’t even have enough google-fu to find it.
Also obligatory warning TVtropes is a time sucking black hole click on the link at your owne risk.
Edit, found it under the apparently underdeveloped https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThouShaltNotKillMuggles page.
In TFSOU it appears to only apply to certain more powerful mages of the IDS and Central.
I’m not sure how much help I can be, as there are so many tropes I’m not aware of, and my mind doesn’t really make lists like these well.
That said. Artificial Human “all but confirmed”? Chapter 3, page 29, aka comic-for-wednesday-august-5th. Also, while the term on tvtropes is Designer Babies, I think it would be more appropriate for the text of that link to read Designer Children, to match the comic. I’ve seen that done on some tvtropes pages but not others, so I don’t know if it follows their policies or not.
Counter Spell: It’s not just Mium. He takes it to the nth level, but there’s also an IDS Null Caster, who I frustratingly don’t have a name for. I know it’s not Kyston.
For Curtains Match the Windows, I’d probably also mention Tamara, who doesn’t – but uses hair dye so she does. It could also be worth mentioning color law; Designer Children are required to have Curtains matching the Windows (which means they’re not allowed to dye their hair as well.) The unusual hair colors or eye colors on people who don’t have Curtains Matching the Windows therefore are not Designer Children.
Magitek: In general, autocasters are just a cross between a computer and a wand. Some have also been crossed with guns, but others have been crossed with phones, bracelets, and other things. For example, in Tyler’s Story, Tyler gets an autocaster which is basically a smart phone.
Wizarding School: Tyler Weber’s a special case. In Tyler’s Story chapter 3, he received a lecture about not setting things on fire in his apartment. I don’t think it took him very long at all to make others feel uncomfortable with him being in the same building as the other students. I mean, I think all of the Tyler’s Story chapters thus far released happen within the same week, possibly as little as a few days.
That said, a few obvious ones do come to mind that aren’t on there at all.
Artificial Intelligence: Mium has been stated to be this directly, although they use the qualifier “Self-Modifying”. And thus, we also get the Virtual Sidekick trope.
Killer Robot: Chapter 4, pages 5 through 14, pages 18 through 20. At least one gets destroyed, there is no pilot inside. (Though, given Kor’s World tech, there could be one back on Kor’s World.)
Mad Scientist: Officially, this is Dr. Mir. But also probably Dr. Hadrian Martin. There’s probably a few people at the IDS who also qualify, considering Peter’s stance on his family’s decision to weaponize their children.
Professor Guinea Pig: Also Dr. Mir. Maybe. There’s some possibility that what happened to her was just an unfortunate choice of avatar and getting a little too close to MYM prior to Peter fixing MYM, making Mium in the process. There’s probably a trope for that possibility also, and it definitely applies, because even if it wasn’t how Dr. Mir got the way she is, if I recall correctly, chapter 13, page 28 vs chapter 13, page 30. It’s also possible that what happened to Dr. Mir was that the second mad scientist I mentioned used her as a guinea pig.
I totally agree with you. PastUtopia does a fantastic job of portraying two people madly in love with each other and refusing to acknowledge it.
“De Nile”–it’s not just a river in Egypt.
I love the concurrent events. Peter/Kally interactions are always golden. And for that matter so are Arron-Mium interactions! Yay to plot advancement! Yay to character development!
One fancy touch might be a little bit of “spirit” realm in the split down the middle? (Or whatever it should look like between worlds). Or maybe not because we would all probably imagine it’s 15 pixel wide teaser for Vium! LOL.
Kally actually Challenged Peter to a Battle of Moral Character, and just won.
I sort feel like Peter always intended to throw the match.
Not sure Peter is that good at understanding himself. He’s got a pathological inability to do things the straightforward way.
I agree. I think he agreed to the coin flip with the understanding that Kally most likely didn’t have a coin, but demonstrated reluctance to be “in character”.
To be clear, I’m not suggesting one way or the other regarding whether Peter has a coin. Just that he knew he could forfeit the coin toss by deferring to her to flip it.
Perhaps Mium should also inform Mr. Director that he failed to mention how Mium’s very existence is against local laws. Also, he could say that even though his existence being outlawed here does not upset him, he knows that other people in his shoes probably would feel insulted by this as that type of law would seem unfair to them because existence seems like a rather basic right.
From such a conversation, I suspect anyone else in the room who overhears may assume that Mium is talking about being an illegal genetically modified person or similar.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but: I seem to recall the Central had laws against the creation of the type of super-advanced self-aware AI that is MIUM, due to certain fears and potential for abuse, etc.
Mium did importantly note “the laws that apply to me.” which I believe is likely where the disagreement would come from. I don’t think Mium would consider the laws of Central to apply to him, via some form of diplomatic immunity.
Mium probably realizes that not everyone in Central would agree with that, but is also probably far harder to catch than Arron assumes.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think Arron really knows how dangerous Mium is. He might know Mium is a null caster (if Kally reported that), but doesn’t know that Mium can win a fist fight with a walking tank in a borrowed body, was the actual person that stopped the Skyhammer, and went toe-to-toe with both an Orish Warmage and a demon.
It always amuses me to read Sci-Fi where it’s illegal to create an unrestrained AI….but the laws don’t address what to do once the AI has been created.
Does Central law address the creation, the existence, or both when it comes to AI?
Past says above: “This chapters structure is a little weird because I didn’t want to cut Peter and Kally’s conversation, but it also doesn’t really move the plot forward in a direct sense, so I came up with the compromise of just sort of running it along side the updates for the chapter. We’ll see. I tend to like the split the page approach, though I’m mixed if it actually makes things easier or harder to follow.”
The upper and lower bands of the comic show events occurring simultaneously. This is helpful in letting the readers know what is going on multiple events at the same time.
Now, where is the band showing the shopping trip and the band showing Mium in the Palace and the band showing Vium and Mr Murder? Also, don’t forget the band showing Elmon on the run and a band with Ashvalt at war. LOL
Um, please don’t make the comic so difficult to produce it takes a month between updates, even without distractions (and with them, worse).
Um, please read the comment again. The 1st paragraph was responding to Past’s comments about the current comic containing two events. The 2nd paragraph has an emotitext at the end denoting humor. The 2nd paragraph is a joke as denoted by the “LOL” … laughing out loud. A sense of humor is helpful when reading comments here. Please don’t call 911 the next time we threaten Past with pitchforks and torches when he runs a bit late posting the next comic.
Pitchfork time again?!? I LOVE pitchfork time!
I think the issue is that we tread a narrow path with the author and the artist. They make a really good team, but we’ve got to be careful about giving them ideas. You never can tell which one they might decide to run with.
They both have experience in the software development field, and that tends to erode the filters that would allow most normal humans to say “that was a joke, it would be a bad idea to implement that”.
It also tends to erode the filter that says “that’s an incredibly bad joke, I shouldn’t say it no matter how funny it is”.
And of course also the filter that says “that would be bad to say no matter how true it is”.
Why am I holding this pitchfork again?
Yes, why are you holding the pitchfork? I put the torch away when the comic posted on Monday.
Seriously, Past seemed to be concerned about showing two simultaneous action threads. My comment was to let him know that the comic format was quite good. Evidently, not everyone is familiar with the meaning of LOL and some might think the extra “bands” joke was an actual suggestion. I will try to be more clear in the future.
Personally, I love how more or less the rest of the family is just going along with it at this point. Not that they don’t have their own plans, but rather Mium is actually helpful and compared to some of the crazy people that seem to be around isn’t that far out there. It doesn’t help that Past has shown (with the whole sniper rifle permit bit) that he does have Peter’s sense of humor.
Aaron’s going “They’re going to find you and destroy you”, and Peter’s mom is all “Work after dinner.” Peter may be one of the farthest out there, but it’s very obvious why his entire failure is a household name.
I get the feeling that Peter’s mom has turned serenity in the face of weirdness into an art form.
Basically, there’s two options:
– She had to, in order to think that marrying into this family would be a reasonable choice of actions.
– She’s as crazy as the rest of them.
I’m not really feeling that those are mutually exclusive options.
I mean I get where you’re going. I’m just saying out loud that it might be both. I think we were all thinking it.
I don’t think Some Ed was claiming that they were mutually exclusive options. Just that there were two of them.
Dealing with Peter and now Mium has taught her that resistance to their plans is futile. Her life will be assimilated into their plans so accept that what will be will be. Kyle made a similar observation in last week’s comic.
I get the impression it is more that she feels that she is not obligated to defend either in the insults or threats department.
After all Arron called Mium an illegal abomination and he retaliated by calling Arron a cripple and referring to him in the third person five times so he was not defenseless.
Lilly only felt the need to defend her decision to extend hospitality to Mium.
Panel 8: Mr. Director has not managed to be not entirely incorrect -> has managed
Fixed… probably.